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From: messenger
Date: 07 Apr 2000
Time: 00:46:54
Remote Name: 168.191.164.84
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 From: John Velez Subject: Phoenix mass 'UFO' sighting
I have written this post under a new heading. My reason for doing so has to do with accuracy, and to counter the latest airforce propaganda campain.
1. UFO- The object(s) that were videotaped (over) downtown Phoenix _were not_ 'flares'. We have video of the event, these things don't look like flares, and they didn't behave like flares. Therefore, it should rightfully be called an 'unknown' or, 'unidentified' flying object(s).
2. Mass Sighting- The many forgotten/ignored witnesses. The reason that this 'flare theory' has gotten any attention at all is because most people have dismissed or failed to take into consideration all of the local eyewitness testimony.
THIS EVENT WAS WITNESSED BY HUNDREDS (maybe thousands) OF PEOPLE! The sightings took place over five (count em) major towns scattered clear across the state and all on the same night.(Paulden, Prescott, Phoenix, Tucson, and Kingman Arizona.)
It's almost as if everyone suddenly started to pay attention only after the airforce offered its flare explanation. Why are the many witnesses being ignored and forgotten?
3. (I'll keep saying this until someone checks it out,) There was an eyewitness report from a commercial pilot! According to local Phoenix news reports (FOX affiliate channel 10) a commercial airline pilot (unidentified) radiod in to Phoenix tower that he had an 'unknown' overhead, he was calling in for instructions. According to the report, the tower informed the pilot that it had 'nothing on radar' in the pilots vicinity! This invaluable testimony from a highly skilled and trained observer has yet to be verified or checked out by ANY investigators!!!
I am not now, nor have I ever at any time referred to the object that appeared and hovered over Phoenix as 'alien' or from 'outer space', that's not where I'm coming from at all. This case is a genuine mystery and deserves to be investigated in as timelt, competent and thoroughly objective and professional a way as it can be.
MUFON? Fu*king useless! We have gotten _absolutely nothing_ that even remotely resembles an investigation from local MUFON. What we have gotten in this case is, (total inaction) from local or state officials, zip from MUFON and lame excuses and lies from the Airforce. Oh, excuse me, and an opportunistic attack on Dilletoso by Korf! Thanx for your contribution to the database and investigation of this case Kal.
MUFON in this case, has shown themselves to be inept and essentially useless as a 'research' and 'information gathering' or investigative tool. One of them, (MUFON field rep) in fact did nothing more than try to take credit for, (rip off) video that was taken by Tom King and his people. If I wasn't in NY I'd investigate this thing myself. And, I'd do a better job by just using my own common sense than MUFON could with 100 of their "MUFON field manual" trained Mickey Mouse "investigators."
What this case desperately needs is an investigator who can find his own ass if you let him use both hands. It really wouldn't take much. There's a TON of raw material to work with here.
Alleged ET proponenets, such as Richard Nostrahoagland have only served to muddy the water and lend an air of complete lunacy to this potentially important and major event. Again, thanx for _your_ useless contribution Richard. Governor Symington is too busy chuckling and dressing up his aids in costume to be of any use, and as for MUFON Arizona, I'll let the deafening silence that has emmenated from them about this case speak for itself.
We all need to wipe the board clean. Let's start with the eyewitness testimony, the many videos that were taken during the event, let's track down that commercial pilot and see if he's willing to give testimony anonymously or otherwise, and then let's check out the airforce's 'flare' theory for 'plausability.' These are all things that could be done immediately. We'd have a ton of answers post haste.
Is there anyone within earshot who,
a. Has the research background, and is familiar with basic and accepted academic standards and requirements,...
b. has the time,...and,
c. the will and wherewithall to properly investigate this case?
I already know the answer to that one!
The "real" investigative work has yet to begin on this case. An excellent example is the video. No one 'reputable' has performed an analysis! From the available video evidence it should be possible to determine size, shape, distances, altitude and whether there was any fakery involved in the making of the images. A spectrographic analysis of the lights themselves could be performed and it could be determined if there was anything unusual or out of the ordinary about its source. Maybe in ten years after the trail is stone cold and many of the original witnesses have moved or passed away (as is usual in 'ufology') someone will begin to look into it.
"Is there anybody out there" (Pink Floyd, 'The Wall')
John Velez, Still Waiting.